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特朗普有没有说女人,“你必须对待 ‘时间像低潮’?

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关于总统过去的宣告的声称重新出现在 2020 年 8 月,当乔·拜登命名卡马拉·哈里斯为他的跑步伴侣。

【宣称】

1992 年,唐纳德·特朗普被引述女人的话,“你必须像狗屎一样对待他们。”

【结论】

正确归因

【原文】

In August 2020, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden named U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris as his running mate. Harris made history as the first woman of color on a major-party presidential ticket, and would break further ground if elected on Nov. 3, 2020, becoming the first woman to assume the office of U.S. vice president.

In response, critics of President Donald Trump again turned their attentions to his history of making demeaning and disrespectful statements toward and about women. In particular, internet users widely shared the following quotation, attributed to Trump: “You have to treat ’em like shit.”

On August 12, the author Stephen King tweeted: “Trump on women, in 1992: ‘You have to treat ’em like shit.’”

Trump on women, in 1992: “You have to treat ’em like shit.”

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) August 12, 2020

Later in the article, Baumgold describes a car journey to Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, in the company of Trump and the renowned architect Philip Johnson, whom Trump had asked to redesign part of the casino (emphasis added):

Philip Johnson looks at his watch. He is going to Berlin this evening to design a building at Checkpoint Charlie. Trump is talking about women and says, “You have to treat ’em like s—.” “You’d make a good mafioso,” says Johnson. “One of the greatest,” says Donald as the car glides through the protected pinelands into the corrupted city.

Baumgold’s article then recounts Trump’s discussion of the recent conviction of boxer Mike Tyson, who was found guilty of raping 18-year-old Desiree Washington and given a 10-year prison sentence, with four years suspended, in March 1992:

Donald is discussing his buddy Mike Tyson. Tyson told Trump the woman who put him in jail “wanted it real bad.” Trump feels Tyson is doing time on a bad rap: “She knocked on his door at 1am and was up and dancing at eight the next morning.” This speech is another of the set pieces he is so fond of delivering. When he defended Tyson and suggested a payoff and community service for the champ, his mother got so angry she raised her voice to him for the first time in his 46 years.

We could not find any record of Trump having denied that he said of women, “you have to treat them like shit.” Snopes asked both the White House and Trump’s reelection campaign if he now denied having made those remarks, but we did not receive a response from either in time for publication.

Interestingly, a letter to the editor appeared in New York magazine a few weeks after Baumgold’s article, purportedly written by Trump’s secretary and offering a firm defense of him. In the Dec. 7, 1992, issue (on page 11), a “Carolin Gallego” wrote:

Based on the fact that I work for Donald Trump as his secretary — and therefore know him well — I think he treats women with great respect, contrary to what Julie Baumgold implied in her article “Fighting Back” [November 9.] No man that I have seen has given women a greater opportunity in business. The real-estate, construction, and gaming industries are awash with successful women who got their big break from Donald Trump. Likewise, women adore him. I do not believe any man in America gets more calls from women wanting to see him, meet him, or go out with him. The most beautiful women, the most successful women — all women love Donald Trump.

Carolin Gallego

Manhattan

In 2017, when New York reprinted the Gallego letter in the magazine’s 50th anniversary issue, several internet users speculated that it may have been bogus or written by Trump himself. Several journalists have over the years attested that Trump had a habit of boosting his own reputation in conversations with reporters, while posing as publicists named “John Miller” or “John Baron.” In a sworn deposition in 1990, Trump himself admitted to having used the name “John Baron” in the past.

In one recorded conversation from 1991, “John Miller” told a reporter for People magazine that Trump “gets called by everybody, he gets called by everybody in the book, in terms of women” — a remarkably similar formula of words to the one used by “Carolin Gallego” in the December 1992 letter to New York magazine.

The use of repetition, superlatives, and hyperbole seen in the Gallego letter (“The most beautiful women, the most successful women — all women love Donald Trump”) are also characteristic of Trump’s own patterns of speech and writing. Washingtonian magazine reported in 2017 that they had been unable to locate or identify any woman named Carolin Gallego who worked as Trump’s secretary, noting that the future president’s long-time secretary was Norma Foerderer, who was replaced in that role by Rhona Graff in 2005. Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen told the magazine he did not recognize the name Carolin Gallego.

We asked the White House and Trump’s reelection campaign if he denied having written the Gallego letter or having asked someone else to write it on his behalf, but we did not receive a response from either in time for publication.

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